I still dont think he understands the harms he has done. His messages change in content, but not in root meaning. But one morning as I sat at my desk in y basement office, I looked up at my little bulletin board. Barnabus is the hero of this story that gets little press. But forgiveness doesnt mean the church should open itself to his abuse again no need to return him to the pulpit since he wasnt a genuine minister to begin with; there was no evidence of the call of God on his life given his dismal run as a pastor. God knows that we dont need that sort of ministry again.. Sometimes people get the idea that everybody needs some church-recognized ministry. At this point it seems to me that this would be the last thing that MD needed if he wants to get himself turned around. If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. So I can see why some churches would want him on board. They were perceived as mediators between the person and Christ. Ill talk to you more tomorrow, so dont forget to check back! All you have to do is say some magic words and we end up being the mean ones if dare say we otherwise. Hosted at every James River Church campus. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. Applying this mode to spiritual abuse has gotten me thinking..and I wonder if in the future Mark will only hang around people/churches that are willing to stay on this Drama Triangle. i was looking for my link to Rob Smiths orphanage and found that he has recently posted a great response to those propping up Mark Driscoll. The worst thing in the world right now for Chandler is that Mark is in making the Christian news cycle. John Lindell has spoken. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. These leaders are lacking even a basic level of discernment or judgement. sponge is used as toilet paper. (KY3) - James River Church responded Monday to complaints after social media images show little social distancing and few masks at its Christmas celebrations. Not a fan but many are. I want to know how I was deceived. "We cannot endorse a candidate and we cannot endorse a party," he said. James River Kids is the children's ministry of James River Church. And we in the real world of Jobs & Lives have to deal with the resulting Speshul Little Snowflakes. Dont you want to be a part of that? This stuff was high on the why we are how we are list back in the day. Saul did get out of Dodge for some years. How they hold their hands, pat their hearts, stomp their feet, fall to their knees, wipe away fake tears, etc is all taught in classes. I began to see him as a marketing expert, who was producing what the young Reformed, technology driven market would respond to, and then marketing it in excellent ways. I think it underestimates those believers in the pews who are, themselves, filled with the Spirit and do exhibit the fruit of Galations 5. Thank you. 99,693 were here. He essentially called the Driscoll victims liars and persecutors. I believe in forgiveness, but cautious about putting such folks back on the platform. The question may even be wrong, maybe it isnt what is the church but who is. But he was not still throwing men and women (!) Like I said, I dont want to get into an argument here. Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. Why am I concerned? Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. Seems like the truth being covered, twisted, remade, ignored is what keeps these people in power and LTs post brings the truth as it actually is back to the forefront. I am the way and the truth, no one comes to the Father, but through Me -Jesus, all those who call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved!. How can a reasonable person look past that? What in the world could someone with his outlandish views contribute to conferences at Hillsong or James River? Nancy, i think theres a lot of truth to what you say, and its more than posdible that people he was addressing in his letters knew at least something about that. Lindell reused the Robert Morris line of chiding his congregation to stop shooting the wounded. The term was invented by Tom Wolfe back in the 70s to describe the superficial gliteratti associating with revolutionary thugs as a way to prove their bonafides. I know you are already familiar with it but for anyone else not familiar, it was written in the context of David and Saul. We dont hear about them so much, unfortunately, because they are not so concerned with informing the world about their humility. I agree that if the object is to fill seats and keep the money flowing in, then Driscoll and the others are doing a great job. i have met people that have told me that they went to gateway (and other churches that are similar) but no longer do without ever saying why. Great observation! Che badgered/shamed the workers that receiving a pat on the back from their boss/comrade for increasing the quota should be enough for them to continue to increase production without any chance of being compensated for it monetarily. pure grace are you or have been in similar situation to stephen? Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation). James River Church, a multi-campus, 17,000-member megachurch in Missouri, is now fending off strong criticism from the public and health officials after pictures posted on social media showed what appear to be hundreds of unmasked people, practicing very little social distancing packed inside their Springfield location to participate in Christmas of course i have no idea really what is driving mark driscoll but thats what i think it might be. @ Nancy: Actually are pews still in general use? there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. Meanwhile, Mark Driscoll was preparing to deliver his sermon at James River Church, an Assemblies of God megachurch located in the "Show Me State" (Missouri). I call that tragic because there are still a lot of honest pastors and churches out there. Feel sorry for him instead as a burned out shell without compassion. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name., I dont think God has sent any dreams or visions to anyone vouching for Mark Driscoll? I am a current attender who was raised by people who love this church but I definitely have my confusions on a few things. Would you hire back the embezzler to count your cash drawer after he served a short sentence because you forgave him? James River is a mega church. these were murders not trials. one person, after 6 months finally started to say why they didnt attend gateway anymore and it made me wonder why people dont warn others. CCHD encourages individuals who were present at the high-capacity event over the weekend to monitor for symptoms of COVID-19 for 14-days from the event date and seek medical attention if symptoms develop., Church officials defended themselves in a statement issued to KYTV-KSPR, noting that despite what the images show, we take seriously the safety and health of those who attend our services.. Gateway is so deceptive in all their practices. If his values were disdained he would have a far better chance of turning away from the corruption that has engulfed his life so far. Youre not trying hard enough! And the honest churches will know that most of the allegations are true and will be too ashamed to say anything. The true character of a man shows when you see how he treats those with less power who depend on him for his income. With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. Even in the Roman Catholic Church, the obvious structure does not prevent sin or other problems, so I dont think it is a matter either of too much or not enough structure making us fall short of perfection. Just volunteers. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious. That has made logical sense to me forever. His behaviour has been SO egregious, that I believe that he needs to stay out of anything that offers him a place of leadership or authority. i would rather be in fellowship with people that realise they still have sin but instead of rationalizing or blameshifting, show fruit of the Spirit in overcoming it. This is not a measure of faith. Thats how reasonable people see past the wicked. Above all he had that coveted edginess he wore age and occupation inappropriate t shirts and chunky jewelry on the pulpit. Just some thoughts to consider. appeciate your posts and the others on this blog, i remember that, thanks Van, for the reminder. What I didnt know until this year is how much they are invading their universities as well. kinda like a person who has been abused i think, they sometimes have to get past that people may judge them for being stupid for falling for it, or they have to reconcile with the results of them speaking out, shunning, slander ie: the church calls them heretics because they dont attend anymore. A group of followers dealing directly with each other and not with an institution sounds appealing. We will definitely check it out. Not that I dont admire Saul/Paul. There are some Calvinists who go in the opposite direction and are very humbled by their monergistic view of salvation. Do these Pentecostal leaders believe that there is a doppelgnger out there who tied MD up in a basement then impersonated him, swearing and saying horrible things from the pulpit? Humility? And every Wednesay at 7pm! Oops, last comment of mine was supposed to link to this comment. Totally. Unless of course, they give up the celebrity/money/position and go into obscurity getting real jobs. I think that the only way to self regulate is to have benchmarks that people must reach to be in leadership positions. #driscollreturns paul most influential christian wrote most books this explains marks love of also writing books. I hope you found some of the above helpful. Gateway also directly lifted the slogan every number has a name, every name has a story.. spiel verbatim from Perry Nobles NewSpring to try to distract from the reality that every member is seen as a giving unit number (no attribution to Perry, of course). District. there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. It was just a matter of time before New Calvinism found a way to resurrect its leading icon. Marks of a bully, and definitely not qualifications of an elder. The movie was sooooooo good. He appealed that he had no say in the matter. (See screen shot from the church website. jesus gets out of his seat yelling forgive him forgive him forgive him, jesus cheers for forgivers who forgive their enemies. (I always pictured Jesus in that moment comforting stephen with great love and compassion, not screaming at him to make sure and do this thing right) I am always eager and willing to learn, so no argument here. Did you miss a tithe payment? 33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, Ditto Bent Meyer who opposed the consolidation of powerful. We are believing this 5-day event will change your life! Driscoll has used this vague parallels to himself many times, framing the sermon in the context of his own life with the lives of other noble characters, most notably Jesus. Mencken: No one in this world, so far as I know and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. He genuinely seemed to care. How can they do that? Galatians 5:22-23. Mark was talking about Mark. *MD and Mark Demoss calculated an irresistible snow job, tailored just for pentecostalworld (who are generally open to things without empirical proof). He apparently had many nicknames during the course of his life, but became known by Che. It is not short for chancho.. Excellent comment! But the dishonest churches can be relied upon to cry persecution. Church membership requires showing your W-2 and mandatory tithe forgiveness means its paid in full. pastor says: You are doing exactly what you accuse the bloggers of. All the celebrity has to do is play the victim/repented card and teach cheap grace. from dictionary: Just typing this has made me a bit queasy. @ sam: Because he simply cannot be trusted not to repeat himslefthus destroying more lives. http://www.mercyministries.org/, though she scrubbed some posts referring to her involvement when it was hillsong ministries mercy ministries there are still a few unscrubs left here and there. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? They will also show several very slickly produced commercials that feature smiling, giddy, laughing people all celebrating together. Then I would take notice that there might be something to their repentance. If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. May the Lord bless our search for da truth, and grant us mucho wisdom. I find that when the Lord is using my mouth it is never vulgar or rude. But I am surprised he delivered his message from on high the pulpit. "Eastview Christian Church pastor, Mike Baker, resigns after son, Caleb Baker, is fired from Central Christian Church for adultery" Why? there is a minor child involved that both of them love deeply. For mr. driscoll to change the whole meaning of this into the sponge was probably really used as toilet paper because he did some study in some far away country is to bring doubt to Gods prophecies and the fulfilment of them. He told me Tuesday that he has every right to campaign for repeal in a sermon. "He saw it for what it was. But I never want to deliberately post any false information so I do appreciate any corrections you can add. so many for so long have used caring for others while taking funding from orphans, politicians treating everyone equally and standing by the christian forefathers etc that it actually means nothing anymore. Did Driscoll forget about the part where Saul went away for years after his conversion. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. That was not my intention. in prison. Why would either (or any) group that knew him in his previous state ever trust him without lots of evidence of change. The worship leaders laugh about it. Every week seems to get more strange and more openly cult like. Guess well see. they had a scandal about their homes for helping young women also, financial corruption-ish and not letting the women get outside counseling. He was engaging, funny and gracious. http://mercysurvivors.com/2014/03/06/mercy-ministries-peru-309k-and-no-cherry/#more-1348. He can darn well get used to a lower standard of living. Come on Lindell, Morris, Kellogg and Johnston. Mark Driscoll has a lot of repenting to do and until he does that he should not be permitted to preach/speak at any church. . Sometimes life circumstances have to kind of help people do the right thing. I am also pretty sure the accounts of his instrumental role in bringing Russian nuclear-armed ballistic missiles to Cuba to be used against the US were not purely fabricated, so I did not believe I was disseminating false information at the time I wrote that. He was not participating in stonings. ), Odd how we often tend to read these things as definitive acvounts, when in reality, there are hints of many other things that go unmentioned. Q. GW is also currently preaching John Hagees End Times Armageddon sermons to pump up the numbers, claiming the Rapture WILL take place prior to 12-31-18, in order to scare folks into those spontaneous tubs. yelling at the referees for too many seasons. You need to check yourself Lindell then apologize and repent. "Although I don't think I'm going to 'love' this column.". It is anguish because i love them, and see the pain of all three of them. Membership Covenants You have a holy responsibility to lead your flock in truth and light yet you are deliberately misleading them. In other words, his behavior did change. He needs to start small, out of the public eye, not in front of thousands. But I did find this on the IRS website: A tax-exempt organization "may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.". Regardless of your tilt on the subject, Lindell appears to go out of his way to make it into the news on the subject. Thats why places like TWW are imperative. Remember how everyone always tells Muslims to denounce terrorism and extremism? people have said to stay involved in churches to keep them encouraged to follow the Lord and speak up if they are going away towards money and corruption, that is no longer even possible, you can get shunned slandered and prob threats to your life for speaking up anymore. And as long as they do, it will continue. My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. The youngest generation may be leaving the church in record numbers but at least they have a fighting chance of finding the real God later.
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